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December 2008 
Vegetable Farms vs. Slaughter Houses - (the topic continues)
cosmicbdog
 | Vegetable Farms vs. Slaughter HousesBryan said Yesterday, 8:54 AM:We consider hunting animals for meat and clothing classic predation. However, we nurture plants in farms and then painfully uproot them for food, scientific experimentation, and materials for life. Since, both plants and animals experience 'physical' pain, is either scenario spiritually or culturally more benevolent? |
 | Re: Vegetable Farms vs. Slaughter HousesSentientFire said Yesterday, 12:42 PM:Yes Bryan I agree, both how we deal with animals and plants in terms of raising and killing for food and other things should be addressed much more consciously. In terms of consuming plants and animals for food, I eat both meat and plants, and do not intend to stop anytime soon. Unless I go the way of the breathetarians and live off of the air and sunshine :) But I feel the focus should be conscious awareness in all cases. Yes, much of the meat today that we consume in this society comes from slaughter houses, but unless you can afford to eat organic meats from farms where animals are treated humanly, then the next best thing is to be conscious of what you eat and change the energy of the food. This is the case whether you are eating meats or plants. So if you cannot hunt in the way of the Native Americans, and kill what is needed respectfully, or grow your own fruits, vegetables, etc, then eating consciously will at least transform your personal relationship and experience with the food you eat. If you have the money, then going completely organic would be the next step to add in this conscious awareness of the preparing/eating experience. You may not be able to stop the inhumane treatment of animals or plants in our society immediately, but you can change your own experience in this when it comes to eating and preparing food. When more people become aware of the experiences of the animals and plants and how this affects our own body and our collective experience then we will naturally become more humane in this way. |
 | Re: Vegetable Farms vs. Slaughter Housescosmicbdog said Yesterday, 8:02 PM:No animals who are killed for food are treated 'humanly'. If we treated them humanly, we wouldn't kill them, full stop. Unless they murdered us. Then we'd take them to trial. We treat all animals, organic or not, barbarically. Society can stop it immediately actually. Just as easily as choosing a different meal. It could happen within a day. I like what you're saying about eating consciously, but pretending to be on any notable level of consciousness while ravaging on animals is like talking about peace while flying the planes into the twin towers. Or like sitting in a cafe with a bomb strapped to you while reading a book on Loving relationships. How is it humane to kill? How is it conscious to eat meat when you've only participated in 1% of the experience of the killing and raising of the animals… which is just the actual buying and cooking? You're not actually 'conscious' of most of the process. Its actually more ignorant. The only consciousness you can possibly be talking about is the choice of which product you're buying in the supermarket. The majority of the rest of the process is far far far from being in a conscious part of you.
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| Re: Vegetable Farms vs. Slaughter HousesBryan said Yesterday, 9:41 PM:Well, yes, that is true; animals are killed unkindly. Even lions suffocate their prey, while some animals eat their prey alive. Is it in appropriate for animals to eat animals and do we question their methods? No, because what they do is based on earth instinct, which is nature. |
| Re: Vegetable Farms vs. Slaughter Housescosmicbdog said Yesterday, 10:06 PM:Cruelty of plants is completely looked over. But even companies like IBM did studies back in the 70's I think it was (its been a while since I read 'the secret life of plants') concluded in many different experiments that plants do in fact feel pain. Actually, one test they did they were able to conclude that plants even remember people who kill other plants and put out a frequency of fear when those people come close to them. Sadly this torture of the plant kingdom is also completely overlooked. And like you said, animals that lose their forest homes experience an even slower death than that in a slaughterhouse. I think though people become more sensitive in progressions. For example, a meat eater will laugh at the idea of plants having emotions and feelings. They are numbed down. They may be able to actually understand it on some level, but as far as taking it seriously and having the appreciation for these subtle feelings its just table conversation. For me, I found when I went completely vegetarian I started to take these more subtle energies more seriously. I live in the forest and I'm surrounded by a myriad of life forms and I now even feel horrible when I accidently stand on a bunch of ants or see one go down the drain as I'm washing a cup. I know that when I was eating meat I never considered personality of ants or insects. Now, I don't know how I didn't see it. I think one dietary philosophy is superior over the other. Absolutely. I think breatharians are superior than I am. I think light beings are more superior than that. With the sun being our most dominant teacher, it is more superior than us. I believe we are here to learn from it. To become like it. Beings who generate energy from within. To transcend this need to consume everything and anything. To take life in order to live. I think its a progression. As you eat food closer to the light, the sensitivity develops. And the best we can do is eat food that has lesser pain receptors in it. Eating food that is obviously ready to be eaten. Like fruit that is ready to drop from a tree, who's continuation of life seems in harmony with being consumed. You eat an apple, and throw the core, and the seed grows into another tree. The tree doesn't die. It helps the tree build a family and its a win win for both. Maybe one day though, I will see this differently as I have come to see many things differently. |
| Re: Vegetable Farms vs. Slaughter HousesBryan said about 2 hours ago:Predation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I agree with you whole-heartedly, in that these principles you explain are harmonious with your vibrational frequencies; but how would you define predation? And what or who in nature would you say, cosmicbdog, determines who plays which role as Prey or Predator and within which ecosystem or evolutionary food chain? B. |
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Ok, I may have misunderstood your questions and this to me is a sign that I am truly considering some thought provoking stuff that goes beyond my normal realms of awareness.
I consider myself a predator of fruit. Mostly fruit. I would say of the foods available to me the majority of what I eat is fruit. And I'll explain why I prey on fruit over any other food.
There is an obvious sensory calling between my body and the fruit I eat. For example, there are smells on the strawberries I pick every couple of days which resonate with my nose and tastebuds in so many ways, without alteration or the addition of other foods. Contrasting this with the smell of a cow, or a sheep or a goat, I receive none of these sensory attractions in the raw sense. Infact, if I go close to cows, and I live next door to them, they communicate smells of rich hormone that actually repel me.
I don't believe its a valid argument in the world, that a lot of people use that just because other animals eat meat, therefor its ok we should. Human beings have evolved to such a level that we are now able to see that there are greater levels of experience to be enjoyed beyond survival. Feelings of compassion and communion feed us greater than a meal. Infact people who are without these feelings of connection seem to get diseases and ailments. Perhaps the stars have aligned differently in the cosmos and now we are more supported to be fueled by higher consciousness rather than these lower energies of predation.
From my perspective, just because animals eat other animals is not valid to go out and do the same. Some people in the world rape and molest little children - do I? Its quite a cop out way of justifying ones actions to me. Also I believe that there is the potential that if we didn't just continue decapitating the evolution of the species below us, who knows, maybe they would start to develop higher levels of awareness as well? How could we possibly know though when virtually every species is running away from mankind? You know if humans were running away from a more evolved species non-stop as well they would have little chance to contemplate the deeper mysteries to life as well. But the evolutionary status we have of apparently being at the top has granted us a spaciousness to be able to delve deeper and bring to the surface these beliefs and ethics and so forth.
What our higher awareness gives us the ability to see now is that its possible to consume energy, while at the same time actually even supporting the very ecosystem in which we are consuming just a part of. If you eat a piece of fruit like a nectarine, you are sustaining yourself and you are carrying a seed with you to another location where potentially another tree of nectarines can grow. The life cycle continues in multiple ways. While in the animal eating predation, it only continues the cycle in one way, yours. It serves absolutely no benefit to the animal you are eating, nor its family.
Some will argue that its vital to eat other animals to keep population down. So should we start eating humans? There seems to be more of us than other species. I think if anybody uses that argument they should also be open and accept that they are inviting their own loved ones to be ravaged some day unexpectedly.